{"id":1128,"date":"2008-11-08T00:04:00","date_gmt":"2008-11-08T00:04:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/johnito.nl\/blog\/?p=1128"},"modified":"2012-01-28T00:43:25","modified_gmt":"2012-01-28T00:43:25","slug":"ny-times-doet-opeens-haar-werk","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/johnito.nl\/blog\/2008\/11\/08\/ny-times-doet-opeens-haar-werk\/","title":{"rendered":">NY Times doet opeens haar werk"},"content":{"rendered":"

>\"\"<\/a>Misschien dat er w\u00e8rkelijk sprake van enige <\/span>change<\/span> is, sinds <\/span>Obama’s verkiezingswinst<\/a> afgelopen week.<\/span>
( <\/span>Hoewel?<\/a>)<\/span><\/p>\n

Een grote Amerikaanse krant waagt<\/a> het zowaar openlijk te twijfelen aan de zogenaamde slachtofferrol van het militair zwaar door de Isra\u00eblisch\/Amerikaanse as gesponsorde Georgi\u00eb, in de Kaukasus-oorlog<\/a> van een paar maanden terug.<\/p>\n


Enkele quotes van de NY Times<\/a>:<\/span><\/p>\n

TBILISI, Georgia<\/a> \u2014 Newly available accounts by independent military observers of the beginning of the war between Georgia and Russia<\/a> this summer call into question the longstanding Georgian assertion that it was acting defensively against separatist and Russian aggression.<\/p>\n

[…]<\/p>\n

During a news broadcast that began at 11 p.m., Georgia announced that Georgian villages were being shelled, and declared an operation \u201cto restore constitutional order\u201d in South Ossetia. The bombardment of Tskhinvali started soon after the broadcast.<\/p>\n

According to the monitors, however, no shelling of Georgian villages could be heard in the hours before the Georgian bombardment. At least two of the four villages that Georgia has since said were under fire were near the observers\u2019 office in Tskhinvali, and the monitors there likely would have heard artillery fire nearby.<\/p>\n

[…]<\/p>\n

\u201cThe Georgians have been quite clear that they were shelling targets \u2014 the mayor\u2019s office, police headquarters \u2014 that had been used for military purposes,\u201d said Matthew J. Bryza, a deputy assistant secretary of state and one of Mr. Saakashvili\u2019s vocal supporters in Washington.<\/p>\n

Those claims have not been independently verified, and Georgia\u2019s account was disputed by Ryan Grist, a former British Army captain who was the senior O.S.C.E. representative in Georgia when the war broke out. Mr. Grist said that he was in constant contact that night with all sides, with the office in Tskhinvali and with Wing Commander Stephen Young, the retired British military officer who leads the monitoring team.<\/p>\n

\u201cIt was clear to me that the attack was completely indiscriminate and disproportionate to any, if indeed there had been any, provocation,\u201d Mr. Grist said. \u201cThe attack was clearly, in my mind, an indiscriminate attack on the town, as a town.\u201d<\/p>\n

[…]
\"\"<\/a><\/p>\n

Russian military units have been implicated in destruction of civilian property and accused by Georgia of participating with Ossetian militias in a campaign of ethnic cleansing. Russia and South Ossetia have accused Georgia of attacking Ossetian civilians.<\/p>\n

But a critical and as yet unanswered question has been what changed for Georgia between 7 p.m. on Aug 7, when Mr. Saakashvili declared a cease-fire, and 11:30 p.m., when he says he ordered the attack. The Russian and Ossetian governments have said the cease-fire was a ruse used to position rockets and artillery for the assault.<\/p>\n

That view is widely held by Ossetians. Civilians repeatedly reported resting at home after the cease-fire broadcast by Mr. Saakashvili. Emeliya B. Dzhoyeva, 68, was home with her husband, Felix, 70, when the bombardment began. He lost his left arm below the elbow and suffered burns to his right arm and torso. \u201cSaakashvili told us that nothing would happen,\u201d she said. \u201cSo we all just went to bed.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Ik twijfelde al ietsje langer<\/a> over de toedracht van deze oorlog. En ik vind het niet geheel toevallig<\/a> dat de ontwikkelingen rond het Amerikaanse “raketschild<\/a>” opeens een hoge vlucht namen.<\/span> En <\/span>nemen.<\/a><\/p>\n

Overigens: weten we nu eigenlijk wel \u00e9cht zeker dat de tragisch omgekomen RTL-cameraman<\/a> door R\u00fassische clustermunitie<\/a> is omgekomen?<\/p>\n

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>Misschien dat er w\u00e8rkelijk sprake van enige change is, sinds Obama’s verkiezingswinst afgelopen week.( Hoewel?) Een grote Amerikaanse krant waagt het zowaar openlijk te twijfelen aan de zogenaamde slachtofferrol van het militair zwaar door de Isra\u00eblisch\/Amerikaanse as gesponsorde Georgi\u00eb, in … Lees verder →<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[912,968,355,665,1,886,956,957,910],"tags":[1906],"class_list":["post-1128","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-georgie","category-kaspisch-bassin","category-mainstream-media","category-maxime-verhagen","category-politics","category-rusland","category-saakashvili","category-south-ossetia","category-zuid-ossetie","tag-politiek-politics"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/johnito.nl\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1128","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/johnito.nl\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/johnito.nl\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/johnito.nl\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/johnito.nl\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1128"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/johnito.nl\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1128\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1905,"href":"https:\/\/johnito.nl\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1128\/revisions\/1905"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/johnito.nl\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1128"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/johnito.nl\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1128"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/johnito.nl\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1128"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}